Comments on: Hit OUT on the golf ball! http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/ Learn the secret of golf Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:19:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: MikeT http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-17954 MikeT Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:58:37 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-17954 This is the info I have sought for a few years. This is truly the "secret of golf" we have all heard about. Thanks! This is the info I have sought for a few years. This is truly the “secret of golf” we have all heard about. Thanks!

]]> By: DaveL http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-4619 DaveL Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:29:33 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-4619 John, just an update since my last post, I am hitting so much better on the sweetspot and making divots in front of the ball. Shanking is gone but still get the occasional tops. I have been experimenting with different aiming points(something new for me) Usually my aiming point is the back of the ball, now i have moved my aiming point around depending on the type shot I want to hit and what club i have. It is more natural to aim at the ball and I do for the 3wood and 3 iron. With the shorter irons I move the aiming point more in front of the ball. John, just an update since my last post, I am hitting so much better on the sweetspot and making divots in front of the ball.
Shanking is gone but still get the occasional tops.
I have been experimenting with different aiming points(something new for me)
Usually my aiming point is the back of the ball, now i have moved my aiming point around depending on the type shot I want to hit and what club i have.
It is more natural to aim at the ball and I do for the 3wood and 3 iron.
With the shorter irons I move the aiming point more in front of the ball.

]]> By: DaveL http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-3158 DaveL Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:35:50 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-3158 John, after one month of the hitting method I can start feeling PP#3 without clubhead throwaway.. My natural tendency is to take shallow divots sometime BEFORE the ball! NowI can take longer deeper divots in front on the ball. I can can definely FEEL compression PP#3 particulary on my short iron and wedge shots. Before I tend to feel the ball compression with PP#1. I still believe these two PP are mutually exclusive. I am still having the occasion topping and shanks, something I have not done for 10 years before learning hitting method. I accept a bit of regression for longterm progresss for my golf game. i think I may have resolved those tendencies my aligning the target line not where the ball sits like you have it on the diagram from the eye of the hitter, but slightly inside that line parallel to it. So that the target line is the straight plane line of the clubshaft Sorry for the longdrawn out explanation. Wish I could just draw it out. Anyway, Your translation of TGM is great. Keep up the good work! John, after one month of the hitting method I can start feeling PP#3 without clubhead throwaway.. My natural tendency is to take shallow divots sometime BEFORE the ball! NowI can take longer deeper divots in front on the ball.
I can can definely FEEL compression PP#3 particulary on my short iron and wedge shots. Before I tend to feel the ball compression with PP#1. I still believe these two PP are mutually exclusive.
I am still having the occasion topping and shanks, something I have not done for 10 years before learning hitting method. I accept a bit of regression for longterm progresss for my golf game. i think I may have resolved those tendencies my aligning the target line not where the ball sits like you have it on the diagram from the eye of the hitter, but slightly inside that line parallel to it. So that the target line is the straight plane line of the clubshaft
Sorry for the longdrawn out explanation. Wish I could just draw it out.
Anyway, Your translation of TGM is great. Keep up the good work!

]]> By: Loui http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-3072 Loui Thu, 05 Aug 2010 06:00:45 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-3072 Hello again John, I have been struggling a bit lately. When my swing goes off I seem to lose that feeling of the right side/arm firing while I rotate through the shot. I read your reply to Robin on the 25th June 2009 and that put me on track. I think I was cocking the right wrist upward during the takeaway and putting the right arm out of line with the shaft. In that post when you describe the left wrist cocking as the right did you mean just at the start of the take away. I mean the left wrist must also cock sideways (thumb towards forearm) as the backswing progresses ? Thanks for the great insights. Are you going to write a book? Hello again John,
I have been struggling a bit lately. When my swing goes off I seem to lose that feeling of the right side/arm firing while I rotate through the shot. I read your reply to Robin on the 25th June 2009 and that put me on track.
I think I was cocking the right wrist upward during the takeaway and putting the right arm out of line with the shaft. In that post when you describe the left wrist cocking as the right did you mean just at the start of the take away. I mean the left wrist must also cock sideways (thumb towards forearm) as the backswing progresses ?
Thanks for the great insights.
Are you going to write a book?

]]> By: Charlie Y http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2901 Charlie Y Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:50:09 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2901 John, I'm re-submitting this at the bottom of this blog in hopes that it might help you find it more easily. I originally submitted it as a reply to your reply to my earlier message. I’m still trying to inprove my lag, particularly trying to get more lag. I’m currently trying to get more lag by adding two things to my swing. The first is allowing my wrists to flex at the top as the club head wants to keep going rearward as I begin the transition downward with my hands. I’m not cocking my wrists or cupping then, just letting them flex. The second thing is that I’m trying to increase the lag as I pull the club handle downward in the hitter’s swing. The problem I’m having to deal with is this–I have been using a vertical swing, but I can’t get the flex correct with this swing. As I reach the top, letting the wrists flex causes the left wrist to cup because the momentum wants to lift the club in the vertical plane. So, it seems that I have to flatten my swing just to that amount that the wrists can flex without cupping or bowing. In other words, I have to swing on a flatter plane where my left wrist can flex on the same plane that it was during the take back. I hope this is a correct way to determine a swing plane. If so, it solves my problem of just how much to flatten it–just enough to allow the wrists to flex in the proper direction. I want to stay as close to a vertical swing as I can (older guy with an arthritic back). Charlie Y John, I’m re-submitting this at the bottom of this blog in hopes that it might help you find it more easily. I originally submitted it as a reply to your reply to my earlier message. I’m still trying to inprove my lag, particularly trying to get more lag. I’m currently trying to get more lag by adding two things to my swing. The first is allowing my wrists to flex at the top as the club head wants to keep going rearward as I begin the transition downward with my hands. I’m not cocking my wrists or cupping then, just letting them flex. The second thing is that I’m trying to increase the lag as I pull the club handle downward in the hitter’s swing. The problem I’m having to deal with is this–I have been using a vertical swing, but I can’t get the flex correct with this swing. As I reach the top, letting the wrists flex causes the left wrist to cup because the momentum wants to lift the club in the vertical plane. So, it seems that I have to flatten my swing just to that amount that the wrists can flex without cupping or bowing. In other words, I have to swing on a flatter plane where my left wrist can flex on the same plane that it was during the take back. I hope this is a correct way to determine a swing plane. If so, it solves my problem of just how much to flatten it–just enough to allow the wrists to flex in the proper direction. I want to stay as close to a vertical swing as I can (older guy with an arthritic back). Charlie Y

]]> By: Charlie Y http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2862 Charlie Y Sun, 25 Jul 2010 02:26:24 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2862 John, I'm still trying to inprove my lag, particularly trying to get more lag. I'm currently trying to get more lag by adding two things to my swing. The first is allowing my wrists to flex at the top as the club head wants to keep going rearward as I begin the transition downward with my hands. I'm not cocking my wrists or cupping then, just letting them flex. The second thing is that I'm trying to increase the lag as I pull the club handle downward in the hitter's swing. The problem I'm having to deal with is this--I have been using a vertical swing, but I can't get the flex correct with this swing. As I reach the top, letting the wrists flex causes the left wrist to cup because the momentum wants to lift the club in the vertical plane. So, it seems that I have to flatten my swing just to that amount that the wrists can flex without cupping or bowing. In order words, I have to swing on a flatter plane where my left wrist can flex on the same plane that it was during the take back. I hope this is a correct way to determine a swing plane. If so, it solves my problem of just how much to flatten it--just enough to allow the wrists to flex in the right direction. I want to stay as close to a vertical swing as I can (older guy with an arthritic back). Charlie Y John, I’m still trying to inprove my lag, particularly trying to get more lag. I’m currently trying to get more lag by adding two things to my swing. The first is allowing my wrists to flex at the top as the club head wants to keep going rearward as I begin the transition downward with my hands. I’m not cocking my wrists or cupping then, just letting them flex. The second thing is that I’m trying to increase the lag as I pull the club handle downward in the hitter’s swing. The problem I’m having to deal with is this–I have been using a vertical swing, but I can’t get the flex correct with this swing. As I reach the top, letting the wrists flex causes the left wrist to cup because the momentum wants to lift the club in the vertical plane. So, it seems that I have to flatten my swing just to that amount that the wrists can flex without cupping or bowing. In order words, I have to swing on a flatter plane where my left wrist can flex on the same plane that it was during the take back. I hope this is a correct way to determine a swing plane. If so, it solves my problem of just how much to flatten it–just enough to allow the wrists to flex in the right direction. I want to stay as close to a vertical swing as I can (older guy with an arthritic back). Charlie Y

]]> By: Bill http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2802 Bill Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:10:57 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2802 Hi John, Just want to say that I use your site as my Bible to my game. Anytime I feel I am losing it in any respect, I just read your article's again. I went from a 90's player to a lower 80's player, breaking 80 on several occasions. Thanks again for your generosity and knowledge... Bill Hi John,

Just want to say that I use your site as my Bible to my game. Anytime I feel I am losing it in any respect, I just read your article’s again. I went from a 90′s player to a lower 80′s player, breaking 80 on several occasions. Thanks again for your generosity and knowledge…

Bill

]]> By: DaveL http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2772 DaveL Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:53:45 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2772 Is hitting similiar to 2 handed backhand in tennis? The lower hand actively thrust into the ball with the feeling at PP#3. Whereas swinging is similiar to a onehanded backhand. pressure is felt at armpit muscle. Is hitting similiar to 2 handed backhand in tennis? The lower hand actively thrust into the ball with the feeling at PP#3. Whereas swinging is similiar to a onehanded backhand. pressure is felt at armpit muscle.

]]> By: Manual Miramon http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2761 Manual Miramon Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:43:37 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2761 Hello I have been on the lookout for these best possible golf irons with regards to my own degree of play, the particular callawayirons are really pricy for me at the present time howevere, if I could find the best used group for the right amount I've got to pay out that would be fantastic. Inform us that which brandnames are the most useful for a acceptable price range . many thanks Hello I have been on the lookout for these best possible golf irons with regards to my own degree of play, the particular callawayirons are really pricy for me at the present time howevere, if I could find the best used group for the right amount I’ve got to pay out that would be fantastic. Inform us that which brandnames are the most useful for a acceptable price range . many thanks

]]> By: DaveL http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2739 DaveL Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:51:58 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2739 John, you are right using PP3 or PP1 certainly give more precision to direction of the ball. I think pure swinging can lead to big slice or hooks. I tried to create the half roll and no roll feeling and what happened? The "half roll" I did was the TURN of the shoulders and torso powered primary by accumulator 4 with assist by accumulator 3 gave me "angled hinge" and GENTLE FADE. The "full roll" I did was primary rotation of the arms by accumulator 3 WITH ASSIST by acc 4. Same muscle groups different order. This produced a hinge slighty past horizontal and produce a GENTLE DRAW. Thanks for the advice! John, you are right using PP3 or PP1 certainly give more precision to direction of the ball. I think pure swinging can lead to big slice or hooks.
I tried to create the half roll and no roll feeling and what happened? The “half roll” I did was the TURN of the shoulders and torso powered primary by accumulator 4 with assist by accumulator 3 gave me “angled hinge” and GENTLE FADE. The “full roll” I did was primary rotation of the arms by accumulator 3 WITH ASSIST by acc 4. Same muscle groups different order. This produced a hinge slighty past horizontal and produce a GENTLE DRAW.
Thanks for the advice!

]]> By: DaveL http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2726 DaveL Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:28:11 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2726 Day 3 I am hitting all my clubs well with the PP3 lag feeling. I am even able to see a target line and use the aiming spot concept to clubface moving forward and downward. My driver is still inconsistent though I tried the aiming point behind the ball for the 3wood and driver and this works for me. This doesn't make any sense why it works sometimes I lose faith and steer the driver. I think if the aiming point is behind the ball would not I lose LAG??? This concept messes me up as for the other clubs aiming point is the ball or ahead of the ball and works well except for the woods. Day 3 I am hitting all my clubs well with the PP3 lag feeling. I am even able to see a target line and use the aiming spot concept to clubface moving forward and downward. My driver is still inconsistent though I tried the aiming point behind the ball for the 3wood and driver and this works for me.
This doesn’t make any sense why it works sometimes I lose faith and steer the driver. I think if the aiming point is behind the ball would not I lose LAG??? This concept messes me up as for the other clubs aiming point is the ball or ahead of the ball and works well except for the woods.

]]> By: TimothyW http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2716 TimothyW Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:17:23 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2716 Ok, here's an update on my progess, I went out and played another round with emphasis on pp#3 and focusing on low point; the results were amazing!!! I went to range prior to going to the tee box and lined up four balls and placed an old broken tee approximately 3 inches in front of each ball, I hit each ball with the goal of hitting the ball first and taking turf, the results were amazing. The divots were in front of the ball. I hit a 275 yard drive on a 475 yard par 5 and got there in two and made par. focusing on pp#3 has allowed me to get up and down a lot easier, I missed the green on a par 3 pitched the ball on the green while maintaining pp#3 and the ball stopped a foot away. One thing I'm going to have to do is relearn my distances for my clubs because in knowing how to maintain lag, I have gotten a lot longer. For shots that I didn't hit so well it was because I didn't maintain that pressure through impact. I can wait until my PBS comes in the mail. So, far I've been making more pars, those birdies are just around the corner. pp#3 has definitely allowed me to hit more GIR's and I'm using my divot repair tool on the greens more. I'm going to have to really work on putting now. Will post an update after working with the PBS. Ok, here’s an update on my progess, I went out and played another round with emphasis on pp#3 and focusing on low point; the results were amazing!!! I went to range prior to going to the tee box and lined up four balls and placed an old broken tee approximately 3 inches in front of each ball, I hit each ball with the goal of hitting the ball first and taking turf, the results were amazing. The divots were in front of the ball. I hit a 275 yard drive on a 475 yard par 5 and got there in two and made par. focusing on pp#3 has allowed me to get up and down a lot easier, I missed the green on a par 3 pitched the ball on the green while maintaining pp#3 and the ball stopped a foot away. One thing I’m going to have to do is relearn my distances for my clubs because in knowing how to maintain lag, I have gotten a lot longer. For shots that I didn’t hit so well it was because I didn’t maintain that pressure through impact. I can wait until my PBS comes in the mail. So, far I’ve been making more pars, those birdies are just around the corner. pp#3 has definitely allowed me to hit more GIR’s and I’m using my divot repair tool on the greens more. I’m going to have to really work on putting now. Will post an update after working with the PBS.

]]> By: DaveL http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2710 DaveL Tue, 13 Jul 2010 04:32:48 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2710 With the swing experiments I have been striking the ball really well but also shaking and topping a few. I think I have finally FELT PROPER LAG with PP#3 I have always been able to feel PP#1 I turned right hand more weak to feel the shaft on the base of the index finger. The metacarpal phalangeal joint.(This is PP3!) Of course I made some other adjustment. Strengthen.my left hand grip and address more impact fixed rather than midbody. it was incredible the difference. I think it is like changing the grip from western forehand to continetal and learning another set of protocol for that grip With the swing experiments I have been striking the ball really well but also shaking and topping a few.
I think I have finally FELT PROPER LAG with PP#3
I have always been able to feel PP#1 I turned right hand more weak to feel the shaft on the base of the index finger. The metacarpal phalangeal joint.(This is PP3!) Of course I made some other adjustment. Strengthen.my left hand grip and address more impact fixed rather than midbody.
it was incredible the difference.
I think it is like changing the grip from western forehand to continetal and learning another set of protocol for that grip

]]> By: DaveL http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2695 DaveL Mon, 12 Jul 2010 06:44:54 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2695 Your picture of from the eye of the hitter is just amazingly accurate. I have been experimenting with my swing since learning about TGM particularly trying to be aware of the my PP. PP#3 is one that I just can't feel properly. Your picture of from the eye of the hitter is just amazingly accurate. I have been experimenting with my swing since learning about TGM particularly trying to be aware of the my PP. PP#3 is one that I just can’t feel properly.

]]> By: John Di Lagito http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2673 John Di Lagito Sat, 10 Jul 2010 12:04:46 +0000 http://www.golflagtips.com/hit-out-on-the-golf-ball/#comment-2673 <strong>Hi Dave, welcome aboard!</strong> In the articles about Hitting and Swinging I explained that the mechanics involved in the Hitting stroke leads to a different behavior of the clubface: The Hitting stroke produces a “half roll” of the clubface around impact with a very distinctive “no-roll” feel in the hands. The Swinging stroke produces a “full roll” of the clubface around impact with a very distinctive “roll” feel in the hands. Also notice, that impact is not an instantaneous phenomenon. It is a <strong>two steps process</strong>: impact AND ball separation from the clubface. In between the ball is compressed against the clubface while the clubface is in a closing process. So, with the same geometry (down, out, forward) the hitter will strike the ball with a clubface that will have a “layback” tendency -> light fade while the swinger will have a closing face tendency -> light draw. Of course, it will deeply depend on your natural tendency: If you have a natural tendency to draw the ball, you could observe that a hitting stroke will produce less draw than usual. Hi Dave, welcome aboard!
In the articles about Hitting and Swinging I explained that the mechanics involved in the Hitting stroke leads to a different behavior of the clubface:

The Hitting stroke produces a “half roll” of the clubface around impact with a very distinctive “no-roll” feel in the hands.

The Swinging stroke produces a “full roll” of the clubface around impact with a very distinctive “roll” feel in the hands.

Also notice, that impact is not an instantaneous phenomenon. It is a two steps process: impact AND ball separation from the clubface. In between the ball is compressed against the clubface while the clubface is in a closing process.

So, with the same geometry (down, out, forward) the hitter will strike the ball with a clubface that will have a “layback” tendency -> light fade while the swinger will have a closing face tendency -> light draw.

Of course, it will deeply depend on your natural tendency: If you have a natural tendency to draw the ball, you could observe that a hitting stroke will produce less draw than usual.

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